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Requested move 24 June 2024

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Five months have passed since the last move discussion and someone is trying to push Commons into changing the name to "Khankendi" because supposedly it's more widely adopted at this point. Although I doubt they are correct and I don't think Commons should adopt the new name until it's at least changed on Wikipedia's end. So is there a reason the articles title can't be changed to "Khankendi" or does the same justification for not changing it from 5 months ago still apply? Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 06:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing notable has happened in the city for the past five months (it’s essentially a ghost city) so it has not garnered any additional international news coverage that would suggest the common name has changed in international reliable sources. The past 2 move discussions were unsuccessful because Stepanakert was still the common name in majority of sources. There really hasn’t been any significant change in the past 5 months or even any significant amount of high quality sources covering the city since then to merit a move discussion. TagaworShah (talk) 14:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I figured. Thought I'd ask though. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should note that most of the wikis have updated the title to Khankendi (except for Armenian and English Wikipedias). Per sources, I can see some updates, inclucing Reuters, CTV where Khankendi was prioritized. A vast majority of the older sources (since September 2023) have called the city Khankendi with a note that it has ben known to Armenians as Stepanakert. Both politically and realistically, the article title should be changed. There's zero reason to keep it Stepanakert at this point. — Toghrul R (t) 10:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neither "politically" nor "realistically" are valid reasons for the names of articles on Wikipedia. As TagaworShah pointed out, nothing has changed with regards to coverage of the city by reliable sources within the past several months to warrant a renaming of this page now. Lightspecs (talk) 22:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lightspecs They are valid reasons at this point. The city renamed Khankendi in 1991, and as it was under NKR control, the most-used title was chosen as the article title. Now the city is no longer under de-facto NKR control; there has been established multiple institutions in the city, even a university is operating in the city.
As I mentioned, several wikis (e.g. French, Spanish, Russian) changed the article titles just because of the recent updates. I don't know what you mean by reliable sources, but international resources are going to call the city with both titles for a long time, but the primary title has been Khankendi, per the links I mentioned — Toghrul R (t) 07:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Reuters link deliberately goes out of its way to avoid picking one title. The CTV link does not work. It has never been policy to name places by their control, nor do the words used in other languages directly relate to the words used on English Wikipedia. CMD (talk) 07:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Google Maps now does seem to use Khankendi instead of Stepanakert. Usage may be evolving slowly towards Khankendi, though the question is when is the moment for Wikipedia to switch. De wafelenbak (talk) 22:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say the switch should happen when it stops being a ghost town. Glide08 (talk) 16:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Glide08 the town has been populated densely since September 2024, with the inauguration of Garabagh University. So, it's not a ghost town — Toghrul R (t) 11:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite amusing to see that, when Allahabad was renamed to Prayagraj (despite the heavy Ngram bias towards Allahabad), the relevant article here was quickly renamed; same goes for Astana to Nur-Sultan and back to Astana. Even for people that changed to a new name, like say Elliot Page (then Ellen Page; though not for Kanye West). Yet this one drags on. Wonder what's with the seemingly double standards here -- or that it's a reflection of the same double standards in the "reliable sources" -- or perhaps political considerations trump all other style rules? 151.192.43.70 (talk) 09:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, perhaps that's because the renames you've mentioned didn't involve exiling or genociding the entire city's population by an invading force? 83.168.71.21 (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is that relevant? We're evaluating name changes, not how they changed. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I will propose another page move to Khankendi come December. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do think we should update the article to better reflect Azeri control (e.g. by adding Template:Administrative divisions of Azerbaijan ), but this is an issue separate from the renaming issue. As long as Stepanakert remains the most common name used to refer to the city, there is no reason to rename the article. The fact that this is an Armenian name is irrelevant: after all, 200+ years after the end of the French occupation of Firenze, we still use the French name of the city, Florence. De wafelenbak (talk) 16:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@De wafelenbak: That comparison is very weak. "Florence" is the common name used in English. No one says Firenze in English. Same thing for cities like Dunkerque being Dunkirk or Roma being Rome, or Milano being Milan, or München being Munich, whatever. Stepanakert and Khankendi are both used in English, so there's really no comparison here, it's not the same situation. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are at the point where Khankendi is more common, need agencies, Google, current residents, the university, all use Khankendi now. At some point there has to be a critical mass. Who is left using Stepanakert? Jimjom (talk) 23:56, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Advocating for the Correct Naming of Stepanakert to Khankendi on Wikipedia

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Dear members of the discussion, I write to address the ongoing debate surrounding the appropriate legal name of the city currently listed as "Stepanakert" on Wikipedia. It is crucial to acknowledge the historical, legal, and cultural foundations that support renaming this city to its rightful name, Khankendi. Below, I outline the core arguments in favor of this correction:

Historical Accuracy: The city's original name, Khankendi, dates back centuries, long before the Soviet era when the name was altered to "Stepanakert." Khankendi reflects the city's authentic roots, underscoring its significance as part of the cultural and historical heritage of the region. Recognizing Khankendi is a step towards respecting documented history rather than perpetuating Soviet-era impositions.

Legal Grounds: Internationally recognized legal frameworks uphold Azerbaijan's sovereignty over the region, as reaffirmed by multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions and numerous international organizations. As the city is an integral part of Azerbaijan, it is appropriate and legally consistent to reflect the name endorsed by the Azerbaijani government—Khankendi.

Neutrality and Credibility: Wikipedia aims to maintain a neutral point of view while reflecting accurate and verifiable information. Adopting Khankendi as the official name ensures that Wikipedia adheres to its commitment to reliability and impartiality, avoiding politically biased narratives. Respect for Sovereignty: The continued use of "Stepanakert" disregards the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Azerbaijan, a principle widely recognized by international law. It is essential to use names that align with the legal and geopolitical realities of the region.

Consensus Among Reliable Sources: Authoritative sources, including government records, maps, and international documentation, consistently use Khankendi to refer to the city. Reflecting this name on Wikipedia would align the platform with credible, up-to-date references.

Public Expectations: The citizens of Azerbaijan and many supporters of historical justice strongly advocate for the restoration of Khankendi as the city's name. Renaming the city in Wikipedia is not only legally and historically correct but also reflects the aspirations of those who seek to preserve the region's authentic identity.

In conclusion, renaming the city from "Stepanakert" to "Khankendi" on Wikipedia is not only a correction of historical and legal inaccuracies but also a necessary step to uphold the platform's credibility and impartiality. I urge all participants in this discussion to consider these points and support the rightful restoration of the city's name to Khankendi.

Thank you for your attention and thoughtful consideration.

And please, be neutral guys :) So, I do not want someone to do racism. Be neutral and fair! 37.61.112.22 (talk) 20:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think ultimately it comes down to what is now most commonly used in English language sources and conversation, and I think Khankendi has now probably overtaken Stepanakert. I'm not sure of many sources still using Stepanakert Jimjom (talk) 22:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Jimjom, I would like to add to your thoughts. These days, "stepanakert" is not and cannot be used in the world media or world politics. The use of this expression anywhere today is considered vandalism (you can only and MAYBE come across this expression in media that tend to use this expression). Khankendi is one of the cities of the Republic of Azerbaijan. Khankendi University operates there. I read the opinions of some people in this discussion board, they simply do not want the real name of this city to be restored in Wikipedia by any means. This is based on their personal interests. In short,! Today, only Khankendi is used in the international community, using any other expression leads to vandalism, disrespect for the Republic of Azerbaijan, and many other violations of law Jabeerdi (talk) 08:22, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2025

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Change Stepanakert to Khankendi Jabeerdi (talk) 08:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC) Khankendi is one of the cities of the Republic of Azerbaijan. In the Republic of Azerbaijan "stepanakert" is not used as an official city name. The city`s name is Khankendi. There is a university called Khankendi University and is open since 2024 September.[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Please see the above move discussion where the consensus was not to move. You can open another move request if you wish to make this change. Heart (talk) 08:35, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 January 2025

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Change the name "Stepanakert" to "Khankendi" in the article. 188.253.217.12 (talk) 09:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Duplicate of existing talkpage discussion. CMD (talk) 09:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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