Wikipedia:Templates for discussion

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XFD backlog

V	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Total
CfD	0	0	41	21	62
TfD	0	0	2	1	3
MfD	0	0	2	3	5
FfD	0	0	7	2	9
RfD	0	0	31	25	56
AfD	0	0	0	13	13

On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.

How to use this page

What not to propose for discussion here

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates

Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.

Userboxes

Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.

Speedy deletion candidates

If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}. See also WP:T5.

Policy or guideline templates

Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.

Template redirects

List at Redirects for discussion.

Moving and renaming

Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template

1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

To list a template for deletion or merging, adhere to the following three-step process. Utilizing Twinkle is strongly recommended as it automates and simplifies these steps. To use Twinkle, click TW in the toolbar (top right of the page), then select XFD. Do not include the "Template:" prefix in any of the steps, unless specifically instructed otherwise.

Step	Instructions
I: Tag the template.	Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page: For deletion: {{subst:Tfd}} For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{subst:Tfd|type=sidebar}} For deletion of an inline template: {{subst:Tfd|type=inline}} For deletion of a module: {{subst:Tfd|type=module|page=name of module}} at the top of the module's /doc subpage. For merging: {{subst:Tfm|name of other template}} For merging an inline template: {{subst:Tfm|type=inline|name of other template to be merged}} Other values for |type= are available, see Template:Template for discussion § Display on articles Note: If it is an inline template, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template. If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or template editors. For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template. Do not mark the edit as minor. Use an edit summary like Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]] or Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]. Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly. Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code). Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.) TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page: /* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025_March_12#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD.	Edit today's TfD log and paste the following text to the top of the list: For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}} For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}} If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the |text= before the why (or alternatively, after the }} of the Tfd2/Catfd2). Use an edit summary such as Adding [[Template:template name]]. Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1. If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1. Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale: {{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users.	Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following: For deletion: {{subst:Tfd notice|template name}} ~~~~ For merging: {{subst:Tfm notice|template name|other template's name}} ~~~~ to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Deletion sorting lists are a possible way of doing that. Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{subst:Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. To use Twinkle, click its dropdown menu in the toolbar in the top right of the page: TW , and then click 'XFD'.

Note that Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

March 12

Template:Neoauthoritarianism in China

• Template:Neoauthoritarianism in China (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The Neoauthoritarianism in China template should be deleted because it duplicates the Conservatism in China template, which already covers PRC conservatism since third opinion confirmed that "China" refers to the PRC. Guotaian (talk) 13:38, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Strong opposition and strong KEEP - A template to unite the 'pro-Beijing' political forces of Mainland China (PRC), Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan (ROC) is essential, and the "Neoauthoritarianism in China" template is currently in charge. ProKMT (talk) 07:45, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Comment - The Neoauthoritarianism in China template is largely similar to the Conservatism in China template, which covers largely the same topics as the earlier template. HarukaAmaranth 08:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

If Guotaian promises never to remove non-Beijing camp conservatives (pro-ROC camp and conservative localists) from the "Template:Conservatism in Hong Kong", he may not oppose deletion. ProKMT (talk) 10:20, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

@Guotaian: response? it's lio! | talk | work 07:52, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:12, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 07:22, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Keep if possible, weak support to merger. Neoauthoritarianism and Chinese conservativism are closely related but more importantly distinct enough to warrant different templates. Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 09:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Clare Football Team 1991

• Template:Clare Football Team 1991 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN, just three players with articles The Banner talk 21:35, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:26, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Now there are eight. Part of the problem with this template is that some links were pointing in the wrong direction, e.g. "Ciarán" instead of "Kieran", "Maloney" instead of "Moloney". I haven't time to check if there are others. The template is for an adult inter-county championship-winning team, so it is not a runner-up, not a children's competition, meets NENAN's "rule of five": are there presently at least five articles (not counting the primary article) on which your navbox will be used? (For instance, five books or films in a series; five singles or albums for a music article; five products by a common company; five members of a common group such as a band, comedy troupe, etc.), as referred to in this nomination, and the number of links has nearly trebled since this nomination was made. --Gaois (talk) 03:35, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• @The Banner and WikiCleanerMan: Thoughts? ✗plicit 00:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
• So far I count six plus the manager. Rushing jobs are never a good idea as Kieran O'Mahony is an Augustinian friar and biblical scholar, not a footballer. Joe Joe Rouine is a 2 sentence article, with only one proper source. And Aidan Moloney... the way it is written the article suggests that he played for Kilmurry GAA (in Cork) while he played and managed Kilmurry Ibrickane GAA. The Banner talk 00:55, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• There are five more included since the nomination began. Did you count it wrong at the beginning? You wrote "just three players with articles". 3 + 5 = 8. I think. Unless they changed it recently. 7 or 8, either way it's half a team. It's more than the five recommended in the essay you relied on to explain why the template should be deleted.

O'Mahony is a footballer. It is not too difficult for anyone to notice the hatnote at the top of the Augustinian friar and biblical scholar if they have made it that far. And takes nothing to correct the link – which I must have overlooked as I concentrated instead on correcting the spelling of his name that I mentioned above.

Are you asking to rush to make articles longer because they are too short? Or advising that "rushing jobs are never a good idea"? Some articles don't have a single source, a problem that is everywhere on this website. What this has to do with the template under discussion I have absolutely no idea.

A source used for Aidan Moloney actually states "Kilmurry". Several times. While I understand that you are likely correct (it makes sense for a Clare footballer to play for Kilmurry Ibrickane, and I never suggested he went to Cork), at the same time I appear to have used a name which the club is known by in the media and in secondary sources. If a disambiguation problem is all that is left to disagree over, you are very welcome to use any personal local knowledge you have gathered from your 19 years of living in the area, and to correct any confusion I may have brought about by my efforts to follow WP:V. I promise not to be the one to revert it. Night night. :) --Gaois (talk) 03:05, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

The only thing you had to do regarding Moloney was look at the other sources. But with rushed jobs accuracy suffers. Have fun. The Banner talk 10:18, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 07:18, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2007 NJCAA independents football records

• Template:2007 NJCAA independents football records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2008 NJCAA independents football records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2015 NJCAA independents football records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused NJCAA tables. Gonnym (talk) 09:45, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Now apparently used on new drafts.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 07:18, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Gaelic football Team of the Century

• Template:Gaelic football Team of the Century (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No article on the subject, not clear what this actually represents. Is this some kind of poll or fantasy team or something? Either way not a suitable subject for a navbox. --woodensuperman 16:17, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

• KEEP: An article already existed on the subject (GAA Football Team of the Century) but there was no link in the navbox. I have made the necessary change to the navbox. --CorkMan (talk) 21:38, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

  Still not an appropriate navbox, this is not an actual team, just the results of a poll from 40 years ago so it's not even relevant. This list itself may even be a WP:COPYVIO. --woodensuperman 21:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

  Could the same argument be made for this template - Template:World Team of the 20th Century - and it's corresponding article so? The GAA Football Team of the Century wasn't a poll. It was chosen by an adjudication panel of sportswriters, broadcasters and GAA officials. It remains the GAA's official Team of the Century. It is not just some random competition or poll in a newspaper. Therefore, I believe it should be kept.--CorkMan (talk) 16:22, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

  WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The Banner talk 16:33, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

  It sure does! Regardless of my highlighting of "other stuff", the point I made afterwards in the hope that it should be kept still stands.--CorkMan (talk) 23:21, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Not an actual award. Just a list from a sports organization. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:26, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: the list (GAA Football Team of the Century) doesn't seems like it meets WP:GNG at all. Vestrian24Bio 04:41, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Hammarby IF sections

• Template:Hammarby IF sections (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

In theory redundant to Template:Hammarby IF – two links, "Football Feeder (Men's)" and "Ice Hockey (historic)", may be added to the latter. See also Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 September 9#Template:Djurgårdens IF sections. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 12:22, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

• Keep there's no actual rationale given for this at all, and Djurgårdens IF template was completely different and to be honest, the discussion was hastily closed with not much discussion at all. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:11, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep Nominations are not based on theory. It is based on facts about the nominated template. The 2023 nomination was based on falsehood. These sidebars are not causing any issue with navigation nor violating any sidebar/template policy. It is navigating to links and articles that are related to one another. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:21, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
• delete after adding any missing links to {{Hammarby IF}}. Frietjes (talk) 20:03, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 06:21, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:36, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

March 11

Template:Cite plain

• Template:Cite plain (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This does the same thing as Template:Wikicite, but in a more limited way. It is transcluded in only two articles. One usage is incorrect and the other can be replaced with Wikicite. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Replace with {{Wikicite}}.

Template:Dublin Camogie Champions 2009

• Template:Dublin Camogie Champions 2009 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN. Just one player linked The Banner talk 18:48, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just one link. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Camogie by region

• Template:Camogie by region (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 18:47, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just two links. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ladies' Gaelic football to Australian rules football

• Template:Ladies' Gaelic football to Australian rules football (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 18:43, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just a table, no need for it to be a template. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ladies' Gaelic football to camogie

• Template:Ladies' Gaelic football to camogie (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 18:43, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just a table, no need for it to be a template. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ladies' Gaelic football to rugby union

• Template:Ladies' Gaelic football to rugby union (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 18:43, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just a table, no need for it to be a template. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ladies' Gaelic football to association football

• Template:Ladies' Gaelic football to association football (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 18:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just a table, no need for it to be a template. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:12th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:12th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:25, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:11th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:11th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:10th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:10th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:9th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:9th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:8th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:8th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:7th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:7th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:6th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:6th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:5th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:5th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:4th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:4th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:3rd Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:3rd Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2nd Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:2nd Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:1st Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:1st Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:13th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:13th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:22, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:14th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:14th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:22, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:17th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:17th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:22, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:18th Irish News Ulster All Stars

• Template:18th Irish News Ulster All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:22, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Irish News Ulster All Stars Team of the Decade

• Template:Irish News Ulster All Stars Team of the Decade (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 16:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:HST

• Template:HST (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to be a group of actors. No article on the subject. --woodensuperman 16:10, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: pointless navbox. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:4567

• Template:4567 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to be a group of actors. No article on the subject. --woodensuperman 16:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: pointless navbox. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Seven Princesses of Mediacorp

• Template:Seven Princesses of Mediacorp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to be a group of actors. No article on the subject. --woodensuperman 16:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: pointless navbox. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Mediacorp's Ah Jie

• Template:Mediacorp's Ah Jie (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to be a group of actors. No article on the subject. --woodensuperman 16:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: pointless navbox. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:8 Dukes of Caldecott Hill

• Template:8 Dukes of Caldecott Hill (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to be a group of actors. No article on the subject. --woodensuperman 16:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: pointless navbox. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2020 GAA Minor Star Awards Football Team of the Year

• Template:2020 GAA Minor Star Awards Football Team of the Year (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:58, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just two links. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2019 GAA Minor Star Awards Football Team of the Year

• Template:2019 GAA Minor Star Awards Football Team of the Year (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:58, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just two links. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Football Team of the Millennium

• Template:Football Team of the Millennium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 15:57, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2017 GAA Minor Star Awards Football Team of the Year

• Template:2017 GAA Minor Star Awards Football Team of the Year (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:57, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just two links. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2024 GAA Rising Stars Football Team

• Template:2024 GAA Rising Stars Football Team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:55, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just three links. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2023 Tailteann Cup Team of the Year

• Template:2023 Tailteann Cup Team of the Year (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 01:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just two links. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cavan Minor Football Championship

• Template:Cavan Minor Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The one season mentioned has no article The Banner talk 01:27, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: only redlinks. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Gerry Reilly Cup

• Template:Gerry Reilly Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 01:27, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just one valid link. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Sigerson Cup

• Template:Sigerson Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 01:26, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just three links. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Sligo Junior Football Championship

• Template:Sligo Junior Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Not a single competition with an article. The Banner talk 01:25, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: only redlinks. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Hurling by region

• Template:Hurling by region (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 01:14, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: just two links. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Hurling Team 2022

• Template:Louth Hurling Team 2022 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Not a single player with an article. The Banner talk 00:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: only redlinks. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Hurling Team 2020

• Template:Louth Hurling Team 2020 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Not a single player with an article. The Banner talk 00:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: only redlinks. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Hurling Team 2016

• Template:Louth Hurling Team 2016 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Not a single player with an article. The Banner talk 00:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: only redlinks. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Hurling Team 2012

• Template:Louth Hurling Team 2012 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Not a single player with an article. The Banner talk 00:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: only redlinks. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Hurling Team 2011

• Template:Louth Hurling Team 2011 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Not a single player with an article. The Banner talk 00:33, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: only redlinks. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Hurling Team 2008

• Template:Louth Hurling Team 2008 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Not a single player with an article. The Banner talk 00:33, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: only redlinks. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2001 Supreme Hurling All Stars

• Template:2001 Supreme Hurling All Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article, just hanging in the air. The Banner talk 00:20, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Fitzgibbon Cup Team of the Century

• Template:Fitzgibbon Cup Team of the Century (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article. Not mentioned in the given backlink The Banner talk 00:03, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tullaroan Hurling Team of the Century

• Template:Tullaroan Hurling Team of the Century (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 00:01, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: no parent article to go with. Vestrian24Bio 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

March 10

Template:Cross-country skiing at the Summer World University Games

• Template:Cross-country skiing at the Summer World University Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. Page created at the wrong title. Instead of moving the page, the editor created a new copy at {{Template:Universiade Cross-country skiing}} {{Universiade Cross-country skiing}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I think you meant {{Universiade Cross-country skiing}}? Vestrian24Bio 04:15, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. Twinkle makes it a bit more challenging to preview or even check my edit. That's not a good excuse for my sloppiness, though. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:50, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as an unused fork. Vestrian24Bio 04:11, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:POV lead

• Template:POV lead (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:POV (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:POV lead with Template:POV.
Lead POV issues can be covered with the main POV template. If issues are specific to the lead, it can be explained in the edit summary and a talk page discussion. Perhaps a "|lead=yes" parameter could be added to Template:POV if desired? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 20:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support merge. Vestrian24Bio 04:11, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Chimie

• Template:Infobox Chimie (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not clear to me what this is supposed to do? All it does is transclude itself, which results in a "template loop" (which also makes this template the only page it is transcluded on). Duckmather (talk) 20:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: pointless infobox. Vestrian24Bio 04:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete This is English Wikipedia, not French Wikipedia, there is no need for fr:template:Chimie here, especially since Modèle:Chimie was deleted there in 2016. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in Senegal

• Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in Senegal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only two links to articles, not enough to merit a template. DemocracyDeprivationDisorder (talk) 12:37, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:17, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
• Listify to list of aviation accidents and incidents in Senegal;; There's no list in Category:Aviation accidents and incidents in Senegal, and a list can add other incidents that currently have no articles -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:03, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on listifying?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:19, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Listyfying This would certainly be an option. I have been digging a bit and found two other aviation incidents. Two planes from a aircraft carrier colliding in 1937 (very short article in Dutch) and the crash that took the life of Ahmed Ould Bouceif. Even with the two articles written, it would not be enough for a navigation template but it will fit in the list. The Banner talk 02:56, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

@DemocracyDeprivationDisorder and WikiCleanerMan: thoughts? it's lio! | talk | work 07:49, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I suppose it works, go for it as an alternative. Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 08:11, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete There isn't really enough content for a list either IMO. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:57, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: delete or listify?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 19:49, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2022CensusScotlandCoB

• Template:2022CensusScotlandCoB (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused citation template. Citation templates should be created and used ideally on dozens of articles. Gonnym (talk) 09:49, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

• Keep as it would have been in use at Somalis in the United Kingdom were it not for a syntax error on my part (now fixed) and will be used on plenty more articles as they're updated, as is apparent from Template:2011CensusScotlandCoB. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:11, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:12, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:ArbComTaskEvidence

• Template:ArbComTaskEvidence (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only used at a gallery of all ArbCom templates in userspace. It still links to the old-style subpages of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration, so I doubt it has been used in a long time. Delete as obsolete. (I am an WP:ARBCLERK, so this is not me attempting to interfere in their business as an outsider.) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Emoannouncement

• Template:Emoannouncement (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I believe that this template can be deleted as it was a one-off announcement which is no longer needed. All usages have been substituted, and nothing links to the template. ~ Rusty ^meow ~ 03:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 13:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2023 CWC and 2025 ICC CT sidebar

• Template:2023 CWC and 2025 ICC CT sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This sidebar arbitrarily contains information on two completely different events. A solution could be to split this into 2 sidecars, one for each event. However, the links in this sidebar are already included in correct templates {{2023 Cricket World Cup}} and {{2025 ICC Champions Trophy}}, and so this sidebar is just duplication. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:33, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

The events are related as teams qualified for the second event from the first event. Vestrian24Bio 02:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Also this sidebar as more links than the navboxes. Vestrian24Bio 02:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

March 9

Template:Russian invasion of Ukraine infobox

• Template:Russian invasion of Ukraine infobox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No longer used. Another user’s implementation of that change has gone unchallenged for some days. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Unused template. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cite Appian BC

• Template:Cite Appian BC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Mostly unused citation template. The citation template also doesn't seem to understand how Appian is in the literature. There are many ways you can get to Appian (Loeb, OCTs, Tuebner, etc etc). Each of them has a different volume numbering scheme and a single number is not sufficient to identify the thing to be cited. If we read "volume" to mean "book", that still doesn't work since Appian is usually cited in something like App. BCiv. 1.2.3 where the 1 is the book (that is purportedly here in the volume number) and the rest are chapter and paragraph numbers. Either way, the volume numbering is either insufficiently specific because it doesn't identify edition or just malformed. Ifly6 (talk) 19:28, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Waterford Hurling Team of the Century

• Template:Waterford Hurling Team of the Century (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 02:39, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: No parent article. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Waterford Hurling Team of the Millennium

• Template:Waterford Hurling Team of the Millennium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 02:38, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: No parent article. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Hurling Team of the Century

• Template:Tipperary Hurling Team of the Century (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 02:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: No parent article. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Hurling Team 1922

• Template:Tipperary Hurling Team 1922 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Just one player known The Banner talk 02:05, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 17:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Intermediate Hurling Team 1966

• Template:Tipperary Intermediate Hurling Team 1966 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and two selectors The Banner talk 02:02, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Intermediate Hurling Team 1972

• Template:Tipperary Intermediate Hurling Team 1972 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and one selector The Banner talk 02:01, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Intermediate Hurling Team 2012

• Template:Tipperary Intermediate Hurling Team 2012 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Just two players known The Banner talk 02:01, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just two links. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 17:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Junior Hurling Team 1924

• Template:Tipperary Junior Hurling Team 1924 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 01:50, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Junior Hurling Team 1926

• Template:Tipperary Junior Hurling Team 1926 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 01:50, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 02:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

March 8

Template:Add to Wikidata

• Template:Add to Wikidata (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions or incoming links to discussions to explain why it was created. Created in 2021. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:03, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Merge to Template:Edit on Wikidata -- though this one seems to be a "Transwiki to Wikidata" template -- but the documentation seems to indicate it is a variant of "Template:Edit on Wikidata", so could be implemented there with a switch -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:44, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Eldee

• Template:Eldee (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I recently cleaned up this template and only included entries with their own articles. The template only has four entries and not enough to justify a keep. All of the articles linked in the template can be accessed from the artist's main page.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:26, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just three links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Social media post

• Template:Social media post (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused fork of Template:Tweet. The only functionality this adds to the standard {{Quote}} and {{Quote box}} is to add decorative logos and mimic the appearance of posts on external websites, which is contrary to MOS:CONFORM. – Joe (talk) 08:00, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Makes social media posts stand out from all other quotes. Polygnotus (talk) 11:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Polygnotus. Ehh, after some viewing below.. I'd Keep/Wait. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 19:45, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Discussion about whether we need a template to do this is still happening at Template talk:Tweet and this TfD is premature. It also seems like a conflict of interest, Joe, for you to be the one nominating it when you're part of that active discussion. There's no harm in letting it sit where it is until a consensus has been established. It would also be a waste of people's time if this TfD led to it being deleted in advance of a positive consensus and then having to be undeleted.  — Hex • talk 20:02, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

  This is a different template... – Joe (talk) 12:03, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

  Just replying to you here for the sake of anyone else reading... we're having this same discussion about that at Template talk:Tweet, which is, I think, demonstrative of my point.  — Hex • talk 11:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Keep/Wait per Hex. I think we should figure out what to do with Template:Tweet first, and then reassess. (Full disclosure; I'm the one who attempted to create this template (and i guess i could be blamed for its lack of being good). Also, I was actively participating in the convo on Template talk:Tweet). I also agree with Hex on Joe boarding conflict of interest here. It's worth noting that they previously removed the twitter iconography from the Tweet template without any consensus, and they implied that there was consensus for Tweet to reworked to be more like {{Quote}}, but when pressed cited a 10 month old RfD with a consensus to keep the Tweet template unchanged, and a half dozen short talk page conversations from 3-6 years ago. Tantomile (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

It's worth noting that they previously removed the twitter iconography from the Tweet template without any consensus, and they implied that there was consensus for Tweet to reworked to be more like {{Quote}}, but when pressed cited a 10 month old RfD with a consensus to keep the Tweet template unchanged, and a half dozen short talk page conversations from 3-6 years ago. No, they cited MOS:NAVBOXCOLOUR and MOS:LOGO.

MOS:LOGO is a guideline, and there is consensus to follow it, even if you disagree with that consensus. It says (among other things):

The insertion of logos as icons into articles is strongly discouraged: While illustration of a logo may be appropriate at the main article on the topic to which the logo pertains, use of logos as icons is not useful to our readers, and often presents legal problems.

It is fine that you disagree with Joe, but please don't misrepresent what they say. Thank you. Polygnotus (talk) 05:40, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Okay, Tweets don't perfectly fall into being quotes, so I would argue that MOS:VAR also applies here, as the manual of style does not contain guidance for how to deal with Tweets. If we think of tweets/social media posts as being quotes, then it falls under VAR's recommendation that "When either of two styles is acceptable it is generally considered inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change", and if we consider tweets/social media posts to not be quotes, then an argument can be made that the Tweet template is a common and consistent way of citing tweets, and under VAR; "Unjustified changes from one acceptable, consistently applied style in an article to a different style may generally be reverted. Seek opportunities for commonality to avoid disputes over style." and "If you believe an alternative style would be more appropriate for a particular article, seek consensus by discussing this at the article's talk page or – if it raises an issue of more general application or with the MoS itself – at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. If a discussion does not result in consensus for the change at the article, continue to use the already-established style there."

I don't think that I entirely misrepresented Joe, at least not intentionally; It is true that Joe deleted the logos from the template with no prior consensus to do so beyond MoS, and against the results of the earlier TfD that decided to keep the template unchanged, including that iconography. They only mentioned that they'd removed the logos days later in an only semi-related talk page conversation. Also, while they did later cite NAVBOXCOLOUR and LOGO, they did initially claim that "As discussed at the recent TfD and just about every other section of this talk page, the whole concept of this template is a blatant violation of MOS:QUOTE and WP:NOTPROMO". When I asked for more details because I couldn't find this deluge of consensus against Tweet, they did provide the 10 month old RfD and a half dozen talk page conversations from 3-6 years ago, which is why I say "when pressed". I do suppose that I could have provided more information here, and I'm sorry for any confusion that caused, but I maintain that my previous statement was factual.

I do understand that MOS:LOGO is a guideline _{(and please don't make me out to be some kind of delusional egotist who thinks that my opinion overrides the MoS.)}, although I would argue that the use of a small twitter icon in the corner of a tweet would be allowed under MOS:DECOR, which states that "[Icons] should provide additional useful information on the article subject, serve as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension, or improve navigation". The Twitter logo (and other social media logos, if we end up using {{Social Media Post}} ever) are often widely recognizable icons that quickly communicate to the reader the source of the post. It's common for the twitter logo and a basic outline of a tweet to appear whenever a tweet is cited in a book or shown on the news.

Also, @Polygnotus, I hate to ask, and I know you have a right to be here and participate, but did you have a previous connection to Joe? You replied to me without being mentioned and with no prior activity on Tweet an hour after I replied to Joe, and you've voiced a near identical opinion to them throughout this whole ordeal. Also, you and Joe both seem to be fans of quoting content by putting it in light green text without quotation marks. Your account appears to be mostly used for AWB, and this looks like a departure for what appears to almost be a single-purpose account, so in the interest of revealing in any conflict of interests that may be applicable to this TfD, I just want to ask if you are an Alt or Shared account that Joe Roe has access to or if you've been asked off-wiki by Joe to support them in this. Sorry, I just have to ask, please don't feel like this an attack in way, that is not my intention. Best, Tantomile (talk) 10:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Joe uses Joe Robot for automated edits. While I am not Joe, and Joe is not me, we do agree. I don't think we have ever communicated. And you shouldn't use words you do not understand, single-purpose accounts are used for a single purpose. Any further accusations will be treated as casting aspersions and you will have to explain your behaviour on WP:ANI. Although it is flattering that you think I could be that sexy. Polygnotus (talk) 10:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I'm sorry for accusing you. There just were a few similarities between you two and I figured it'd be better ask you directly now rather than finding out later that you were actually Joe wearing a big pair of sunglasses the whole time. Also, I see your point about single-purpose accounts. I read the guidelines for them in the middle of the night, and basically thought you were almost a single-purpose account with the purpose being AWB. Looking back that makes very little sense, and I'm sorry. Best, Tantomile (talk) 21:18, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

And the attempt at wikilawyering makes little sense. Polygnotus (talk) 11:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

This narrative of events is so divorced from reality I don't know where to start. Others can read the actual discussions on Talk:Tweet. Though this TfD, I'll note again, is about a different template which you created and which is not used anywhere.

P.S. The light green text without quotation marks is {{talk quote inline}}. – Joe (talk) 12:14, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

My representative on Earth means Template talk:Tweet not Talk:Tweet. Probably still a bit dazed from our soulmerge. Polygnotus (talk) 12:24, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Please declare all soulmerges that could reasonable be expected to have an effect on editing at Wikipedia talk:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man. _{(this is joke btw)} Thanks, Tantomile (talk) 21:45, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

"This narrative of events is so divorced from reality I don't know where to start.". First off, that is a great sentence and i might have borrow it in the future. This TfD is closely related to Tweet because this template extends Tweet's capabilities, and the result of this TfD against SocialMediaPost will likely be used as prior consensus for Tweet and vice versa. This is why I again think that we should put this TfD on Hold until we figure out what to do with Tweet, which being the used template will set precedent for what a template like SocialMediaPost should be. Also, even through this TfD is about SocialMediaPost, It was started immediately following a conversation on Tweet, is being participated in by several people who previously interacted and voiced options on Tweet, and Social media post was previously discussed on Tweet's talk page, so some prior discussions on/about Tweet are relevant here.

Also, super embarrassed about not recognizing {{talk quote inline}}, I mostly use the visual editor, and I don't often end up needing to quote things.

Overall, I don't really care if Social media post stays or goes in the long run, I just don't think this is the right time for that conversation to happen. Best, Tantomile (talk) 21:39, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

The artist formerly known as Joe Roe has 20 years of experience. So if you disagree with them it is not unreasonable to assume that it is because they know something you don't. Polygnotus (talk) 03:02, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

I fail to see your point with this comment. I provided my reasoning for continuing to discuss Tweet in this RfD in response to being questioned as to why I mentioned it. I explained how I felt Tweet was relevant both to this RfD as a whole and my response to this RfD. I guess I'm sorry for not joining this website 20 years ago? Actually, no I'm not. Please read WP:PULLRANK, Argument from authority, and Cognitive bias. Having randomly decided in 2005 to join a website is not reason that your opinion is unequivocally better than everyone else's. Tantomile (talk) 07:33, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

See Strawman argument. Polygnotus (talk) 04:58, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I was here 3 years before Joe, and I've been an administrator 10 years longer than he has. So really, Polygnotus should be championing my opinion here. Right? Of course not, because that's not how it works. Polygnotus: Tantomile wrote a polite and detailed comment, and that was a discourteous response which failed to address even a single point of it.  — Hex • talk 11:07, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

@Hex Then you should know better than to respond to a single post without bothering to understand its context. And you should be familiar with the concept of a strawman argument. Polygnotus (talk) 04:57, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

• Suggestion: How about we move this template to Template:Tweet/Multi-app version or something such, so discussion can take place on one single talk page and there isn't an unused template in template space? Personally I don't think that's any kind of issue for a brand new template in a huge, slow-moving project with infinite quantities of unfinished business, but clearly some people don't like it.  — Hex • talk 11:19, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep at least until the discussion is resolved. This is a new template under discussion. Too soon to delete as unused, because there is some probability that it will be used based on the discussion. Also not appropriate to delete as a redundant fork for the same reason. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:08, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

  What exactly is under discussion there? – Joe (talk) 13:32, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Looks redundant. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep the more specific {{Tweet}} template was nominated for deletion by this same user with the same reasoning re MOS:CONFORM but the consensus there was to Keep. They don't indicate what makes this template any different. Personally, I think it is fine to display social media posts in a little box and this is already conformed to Wikipedia style by wrapping quote box and mimicking our appearance here - it doesn't use the Twitter/whatever font, colours, exact layout etc. it's made to fit in with our style (and it is not a quote like a book etc. so it would not be appropriate to use the {{Quote box}} template and it is fine to have a template that uses our styling but looks more like a social media post). The other reason raised for deletion is that the template is unused but we shouldn't delete templates because they aren't used now - only if they don't have a potential to be used in the future - and this seems useful for displaying posts from twitter-like websites so in my opinion should be Kept. MolecularPilot ^{🧪️✈️} 03:53, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Also, even if this is a violation of MOS:CONFORM, that alone is not enough reason for deletion. Such a box to display a social media post would have uses outside mainspace (i.e. to show a post made by the account of a wikiproject in projectspace, or to show a post you yourself made on your userpage) and the MOS only applies to mainspace. If the user believes this is inappropriate for mainspace, they should start an RfC for all templates like this including {{tweet}} asking if these violate MOS:CONFORM, TfD seems like the wrong venue and it seems strange to nominate only this template when we have many like them such as {{tweet}}. MolecularPilot ^{🧪️✈️} 03:54, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Hurricane Milton related

• Template:Hurricane Milton related (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The Florida and tornado outbreak links just link back to the section and proposals for either to have subarticles failed. Thus, with no child articles, this template isn’t needed.38.115.62.229 (talk) 14:39, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete No idea why this plain text needs a navigation template. The Banner talk 14:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

  My guess is in anticipation of subarticles being created, but consensus is currently against either one. 38.115.62.227 (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Delete the rest of the lot in the category this is under. No need to transclude in template space. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: What are these "related" templates-none of these are necessary. Vestrian24Bio 09:23, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 19:47, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. INeedSupport ^:3 17:59, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Under-20 Hurling Team 2024

• Template:Tipperary Under-20 Hurling Team 2024 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 3 players but 4 staff. Enough for team navigation? The Banner talk 14:01, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Hurling Team 1974

• Template:Roscommon Hurling Team 1974 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:57, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just two links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Hurling Team 2007

• Template:Roscommon Hurling Team 2007 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:57, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just two links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Mayo county hurling team managers

• Template:Mayo county hurling team managers (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: per WP:NENAN. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Laois Hurling Team 2002

• Template:Laois Hurling Team 2002 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Hurling Team 1898

• Template:Kilkenny Hurling Team 1898 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:25, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Intermediate Hurling Team 2010

• Template:Kilkenny Intermediate Hurling Team 2010 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:20, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Junior Hurling Team 1994

• Template:Kilkenny Junior Hurling Team 1994 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and the manager The Banner talk 13:11, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Junior Hurling Team 1996

• Template:Kilkenny Junior Hurling Team 1996 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and the manager The Banner talk 13:10, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1930

• Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1930 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:10, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just two valid links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1931

• Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1931 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:10, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just two valid links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1969

• Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1969 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Just one player known The Banner talk 13:06, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1984

• Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1984 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just one player known, nothing to navigate here The Banner talk 12:31, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1991

• Template:Kilkenny Minor Hurling Team 1991 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:30, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Under-21 Hurling Team 1981

• Template:Kilkenny Under-21 Hurling Team 1981 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Just 4 players linked. The Banner talk 04:38, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Under-21 Hurling Team 1985

• Template:Kilkenny Under-21 Hurling Team 1985 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Just three players linked. Non-winner The Banner talk 04:37, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 19:47, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Under-21 Hurling Team 1993

• Template:Kilkenny Under-21 Hurling Team 1993 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Just two players known. The Banner talk 04:36, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just two links. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 19:47, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kilkenny Hurling Team of the Century

• Template:Kilkenny Hurling Team of the Century (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article, just hanging in the air The Banner talk 04:16, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: No parent article. Vestrian24Bio 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

March 7

Template:Infobox translation

• Template:Infobox translation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused but also shouldn't be used. One of the written-works related infobox should be used instead. The example uses Odyssey (George Chapman translation), which works completely fine with {{Infobox book}}. If anything is missing from that template, it should be proposed on its talk page. Gonnym (talk) 17:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

I personally don't think the infobox needs the many additional parameters this one added, such as text examples. The infobox summarizes the article, it's not meant to replace it. Gonnym (talk) 17:38, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm not done creating this template yet, it's still a work in progress, and I intend on removing the unnecessary params. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 17:41, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:12, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment I think this should be an accessory box, used to supplement other infoboxes instead. It should be attached with a hook parameter to another infobox, so that other works that are not text-lit can be handled. (songs come to mind) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:01, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Noting that there has not been any work done by the creator on this template since the nomination at TFD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

eh whatever. delete it if necessary. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 23:44, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship Final Man of the Match

• Template:All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship Final Man of the Match (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Nothing available about the Man of the Match. No article, no mentions in the article All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship. Relevance doubtful. The Banner talk 22:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep, included at List of All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship finals#Man of the match. it's lio! | talk | work 06:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

  That section is unsourced and subject to removal. Still no reason to keep. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:01, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

  40+ sources added to the section, so hopefully not still "subject to removal". If anything else, at least some articles are getting worked on as a result of all this. --Gaois (talk) 23:50, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

  As far as I know, each and every GAA hurling, football or camogie game has a (wo)man of the match. So what makes that title relevant? The Banner talk 15:18, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  The sources are certainly giving it special mention (repeatedly, over many decades). Anyway, if it is still "subject to removal", it will no longer be for lack of sources. --Gaois (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 20:57, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Multilingual description

• Template:Multilingual description (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, seems to have been copied from another WP? Frietjes (talk) 20:01, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Script/Paleo-Hebrew

• Template:Script/Paleo-Hebrew (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template isn't serving the purpose that the general Template:Script/[language] templates are meant to serve. It was created by a misguided user who I guess wanted there to be a template here after they made a reference to it and I pointed out to them in this exchange that it doesn't exist. Largoplazo (talk) 19:25, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete. This is a {{langx}} style template, not a script template. And even script templates I don't really think have any real reason to exist anymore now that we've merged all language templates until {{lang}} and {{langx}}. Gonnym (talk) 19:48, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:RFL National Championship 2009 Ladder

• Template:RFL National Championship 2009 Ladder (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:RFL National Championship 2010 Ladder (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I merged these with the parent articles, so no need for separate templates. Frietjes (talk) 18:18, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kildare county hurling team managers

• Template:Kildare county hurling team managers (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I suppose, if @CorkMan:, the creator, ever intended to work on another senior inter-county hurler – and if he could come up with one who happened to have managed Kildare – then the addition of another blue link would technically cause the template to meet the NENAN essay's "(are there presently at least five articles (not counting the primary article) on which your navbox will be used? (For instance, five books or films in a series; five singles or albums for a music article; five products by a common company; five members of a common group such as a band, comedy troupe, etc.))". The NENAN essay appears to be why the nominator wants to delete this template.

Not that there is any certainty that one more blue link would lead to the template being kept.

I doubt it, personally.

But, at the same time, if one of the red names (or an earlier one that is missing) has played senior inter-county hurling, I have been wondering if there are sources somewhere for it. I've done a search and not much showed. I might not have noticed everything though. --Gaois (talk) 01:10, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kildare Hurling Team 2020

• Template:Kildare Hurling Team 2020 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and the manager The Banner talk 16:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Hurling Team 1961

• Template:Kerry Hurling Team 1961 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:40, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Hurling Team 2010

• Template:Kerry Hurling Team 2010 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Non-winners in a thirdscond tier competition The Banner talk 16:38, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• delete, runners-up. Frietjes (talk) 18:15, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I have had to look at this several times. A "few"? "Just a few"? 11 of the starting 15 are blue links. They do not appear to have been created since yesterday, when this nomination was made.

They are more than enough to meet the WP:NENAN essay's specification of "are there presently at least five articles (not counting the primary article) on which your navbox will be used? (For instance, five books or films in a series; five singles or albums for a music article; five products by a common company; five members of a common group such as a band, comedy troupe, etc.)" That is NENAN, which is in regular use on this page and others (it is the entire basis of the nomination that is directly above this). NENAN, which is conveniently absent from this particular nomination. A "few" in this case would "probably only about three or four". I am being extra generous because the example refers to 10 and this is 15+. I find it difficult to take this seriously. But apparently it is. --Gaois (talk) 23:02, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Oh never mind. I am seeing signs that this editor just spray painted/copy-pasted their argument for deletion into every single nomination in sight at a rate of multiple times per minute. Now I am going to have to look through them all. --Gaois (talk) 23:12, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, this one was my bad. Vestrian24Bio 09:08, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

I think I also owe Vestrian24Bio an apology for misunderstanding a genuine mistake. I have looked through the other examples referred to and I cannot find anything similar. Sorry about coming to the wrong conclusion. --Gaois (talk) 14:00, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

That's okay. 🤗 Vestrian24Bio 02:45, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Sour grapes? The Banner talk 13:31, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. It is probably too late now as the damage is done. But the nominator is mistaken in stating that this was a third tier competition. This suggests they do not not have a very good understanding of the subject. So the second part of the reason given for deleting is incorrect. As for the first part, it would still be good to have a better understanding of the "Non-winners" are a valid reason to delete, as outlined in one of his dozens upon dozens of previous nominations. The OSE argument is then used. But the point is to ask for the whereabouts of the "Non-winners" are a valid reason to delete policy. Why is nobody linking to it? Or even replying to the question. Does it exist? --Gaois (talk) 22:34, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Okay, I made a mistake. It is a second tier tournament. But that changes nothing in my reasoning. The Banner talk 04:15, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Keep. While non-winners is a valid reason to delete related templates, in this case 12 out of 18 players (including 11 out of 15 non-subs) have their articles. If more than half the roster is notable enough to merit articles, I say we just keep it. Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 09:42, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Hurling Team 2013

• Template:Kerry Hurling Team 2013 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Non-winners in a thirdscond tier competition The Banner talk 16:38, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• delete, runners-up. Frietjes (talk) 18:15, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. The nominator is mistaken in stating that this was a third tier competition. This suggests he does not not have a very good understanding of the subject. So the second part of the reason given for deleting is incorrect. As for the first part, it would still be good to have a better understanding of the "Non-winners" are a valid reason to delete, as outlined in one of his dozens upon dozens of previous nominations. The OSE argument is then used. But the point is on the whereabouts of the "Non-winners" are a valid reason to delete policy. There is no evidence for this policy. --Gaois (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Okay, I made a mistake. It is a second tier tournament. But that changes nothing in my reasoning. Still not the highest level. The Banner talk 13:31, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Hurling Team 2014

• Template:Kerry Hurling Team 2014 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Non-winners in a thirdscond tier competition The Banner talk 16:38, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• delete, runners-up. Frietjes (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. The nominator is mistaken in stating that this was a third tier competition. This suggests he does not not have a very good understanding of the subject. So the second part of the reason given for deleting is incorrect. As for the first part, it requires a clearer outlining of the "Non-winners" are a valid reason to delete, as mentioned in one of his dozens upon dozens of previous nominations. The OSE argument is then used. But the point is on the whereabouts of the "Non-winners" are a valid reason to delete policy. There is no evidence for this policy. --Gaois (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Okay, I made a mistake. It is a second tier tournament. But that changes nothing in my reasoning. Still not the highest level. The Banner talk 13:31, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Keep, half the roster (including 11 out of 15 non-substitutes) are notable. Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 09:49, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Minor Hurling Team 2001

• Template:Kerry Minor Hurling Team 2001 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and the manager The Banner talk 16:18, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Under-21 Hurling Team 2011

• Template:Kerry Under-21 Hurling Team 2011 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and the manager The Banner talk 16:18, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Africa's Next Top Model

• Template:Africa's Next Top Model (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

One season, one winner. We don't need a navbox to navigate this, the articles are already well-linked. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 16:01, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just two links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Hurling Team 2002

• Template:Galway Hurling Team 2002 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Just one player and the manager have articles The Banner talk 15:30, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Minor Hurling Team 2005

• Template:Galway Minor Hurling Team 2005 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and staff The Banner talk 15:23, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Minor Hurling Team 2019

• Template:Galway Minor Hurling Team 2019 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and staff The Banner talk 15:22, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Minor Hurling Team 2020

• Template:Galway Minor Hurling Team 2020 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and 1 manager The Banner talk 15:22, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Under-21 Hurling Team 1991

• Template:Galway Under-21 Hurling Team 1991 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just one player known The Banner talk 15:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:NavigationCanadianFigureSkatingChampionsFours

• Template:NavigationCanadianFigureSkatingChampionsFours (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unhelpful template; long-obsolete competition, held sporadically, way too clunky to be navigable. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:14, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Keep I do not see why this template is " too clunky to be navigable". The fact that the competition is discontinued, does not make the navigation template useless. The Banner talk 15:07, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:26, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Under-21 Hurling Team 1993

• Template:Galway Under-21 Hurling Team 1993 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Under-21 Hurling Team 1999

• Template:Galway Under-21 Hurling Team 1999 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and the manager is that enough for a team that loses a final? The Banner talk 14:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• delete, runners-up. Frietjes (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Dublin Minor Hurling Team 1954

• Template:Dublin Minor Hurling Team 1954 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 14:14, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Dublin Under-17 Hurling Team 2017

• Template:Dublin Under-17 Hurling Team 2017 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Non-winners on a youth level The Banner talk 14:14, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• delete, runners-up. Frietjes (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork Intermediate Hurling Team 1965

• Template:Cork Intermediate Hurling Team 1965 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN 4 players and 3 selectors enough to warrant a navbox? The Banner talk 13:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork Junior Hurling Team 1947

• Template:Cork Junior Hurling Team 1947 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Is 4 players and 1 selector enough to warrant a navbox? The Banner talk 13:27, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:IPL cricketers

• Template:IPL cricketers (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Indian Premier League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:IPL cricketers with Template:Indian Premier League.
No need for a separate navbox. Vestrian24Bio 04:23, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Asian Test Championship

• Template:Asian Test Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just 2 links, no need for a navbox. Vestrian24Bio 04:18, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Serves its function like other tournaments.

Pharaoh496 (talk) 03:38, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

See WP:NENAN, just 2 links, no navigational usage. Vestrian24Bio 06:16, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

TOTT navboxes

• Template:2013 CT TOTT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2017 CT TOTT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary navbox; adds no navigational usage. Vestrian24Bio 04:09, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: TOTT was added from the 2013 edition, it can be kept on in subsequent editions of the CT. In most tournaments across sports, this has a navbox.

Pharaoh496 (talk) 03:39, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

These are the only two TOTT I could found in the entire ICC events, so are they necessary? Also, WP:NAVBOX says, The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent. Vestrian24Bio 06:10, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Just because others havent been made yet does not warrant deleting these. We can discuss editing the pages on their talk pages rather than on the deleting nomination page. Pharaoh496 (talk) 09:20, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

These kind of discussions should be made on the TfD page. Vestrian24Bio 09:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Not an actual winning team. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

winning captains navbox templates

• Template:Men's T20 World Cup winning captains (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:ICC Champions Trophy winning captains (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:ICC World Test Championship winning captains (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Indian Premier League winning captains (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:ACC Asia Cup winning captains (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cricket World Cup winning captains (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No need for a navbox to winning captains; adds no navigational usage. Vestrian24Bio 04:03, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Nominated {{Cricket World Cup winning captains}} too. Vestrian24Bio 06:12, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Keep: Like Template:Cricket World Cup winning captains and Template:FIFA World Cup winning captains, these articles serve their purpose likewise. Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:43, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

People sidebar templates

• Template:Don Bradman series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Sachin Tendulkar series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Brian Lara series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Shane Warne series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Arvind Kejriwal series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just a few links, a navbox is enough, no need for a sidebar series. Vestrian24Bio 03:17, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• comment, {{Don Bradman series}} connects 17 articles, what is the duplicate navbox? Frietjes (talk) 18:16, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  What I meant is it could be converted to a navbox, which would serve the same purpose, while taking up less space in the article page. Vestrian24Bio 06:07, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Keep: These are serving as a sidebar and precisely doing what they are intended to. Inspiration was taken for the cricket articles from those of other sportspersons. (Personal note to @Vestrian24Bio: I am not formally accusing you of anything, but for someone who traditionally works in Cricket, your pointing out of the Arvind Kejriwal article like so many of the articles and templates made and edited by me point roads towards WP:HOUND, something not appreciated as all of them hold considerable amount of merit.) Pharaoh496 (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork Hurling Team Early 2009

• Template:Cork Hurling Team Early 2009 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No idea what team this is: the "original" team or the strike breakers. Template only links to an article over the player strike. The Banner talk 03:07, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork Minor Hurling Team 1977

• Template:Cork Minor Hurling Team 1977 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 02:59, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• delete, runners-up. Frietjes (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork NHL Team 1926

• Template:Cork NHL Team 1926 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just one player known The Banner talk 02:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork NHL Team 1930

• Template:Cork NHL Team 1930 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without players The Banner talk 02:55, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork NHL Team 1940

• Template:Cork NHL Team 1940 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without players The Banner talk 02:55, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork NHL Team 1941

• Template:Cork NHL Team 1941 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without players The Banner talk 02:55, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork NHL Team 1948

• Template:Cork NHL Team 1948 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without players The Banner talk 02:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork NHL Team 1953

• Template:Cork NHL Team 1953 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without players The Banner talk 02:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just one link. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork Hurling Team of the Century

• Template:Cork Hurling Team of the Century (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article, hanging in the air The Banner talk 02:50, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: No parent article. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cork Hurling Team of the Millennium

• Template:Cork Hurling Team of the Millennium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article, hanging in the air. The Banner talk 02:49, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: No parent article. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Clare Hurling Team 1993

• Template:Clare Hurling Team 1993 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 02:46, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Clare Minor Hurling Team 1997

• Template:Clare Minor Hurling Team 1997 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 02:45, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Clare Hurling Team 1978

• Template:Clare Hurling Team 1978 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN. Just three players known?? The Banner talk 02:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:1970 Antrim Hurling Team

• Template:1970 Antrim Hurling Team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN. Just one player and the manager have articles The Banner talk 02:39, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Just a few blue links. Vestrian24Bio 06:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

March 6

Template:2024–25 Scottish Women's Premier League Championship table

• Template:2024–25 Scottish Women's Premier League Championship table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024–25 Scottish Women's Premier League Relegation table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused as 2024–25 Scottish Women's Premier League#Championship Round and 2024–25 Scottish Women's Premier League#Relegation Round use different tables. Gonnym (talk) 11:59, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:28, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:2019 RFL League 1 regular season table

• Template:2019 RFL League 1 regular season table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused after being subst to 2019 RFL League 1. Gonnym (talk) 11:57, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:28, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Believerpov

• Template:Believerpov (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Unbalanced (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Believerpov with Template:Unbalanced.
Overly specific neutrality tag, only used on 12 articles. This can be adequately covered by Template:Unbalanced. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 02:34, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:29, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:ISU Championships Figure skating

• Template:ISU Championships Figure skating (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant template, as all of these links also appear on Template:Figure skating, which is also attached to the same articles as this template. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:59, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:28, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:The Jewel of Seven Stars

• Template:The Jewel of Seven Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Bram Stoker (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:The Jewel of Seven Stars with Template:Bram Stoker.
I think we could happily merge this into a separate "Adaptations" section, expanding into adaptations of other works (Shadow Builder, Bram Stoker's Burial of the Rats, etc.), but avoiding the multitude of indirect Dracula adaptations. --woodensuperman 12:09, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Is there some way of linking the Dracula adaptations into the 'Adaptations' section of the navbox as well, without listing them individually (probably a link to the [[Dracula in popular culture page?). Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:14, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I wondered about an "adaptions of Dracula" link... Or we could include adaptations that are directly based on the source material, i.e. Dracula (1958 film), but not Nosferatu (unless there are still too many or too much duplication). --woodensuperman 12:39, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Good point, although many if not most of the classic films have direct elements of the book (although many parasitic films just used the name 'Dracula' as a come-on to buy a ticket). Listing all of the films which would rate being adaptations may require too many for the navbox, which is why Dracula in popular culture covers films and other entertainment forms. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:23, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

I happy if we link to Dracula in popular culture in an "adaptations" section and maybe include a hidden note to editors explaining why we're not listing adaptations of that work. --woodensuperman 13:55, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Generally, I don't truly believe that film adaptations belong in a novelist's navbox and are better presented in a template for the work they are relevant to. In this case, we have a well-established navbox that does not have any adaptations shoehorned into it. The vast majority of adaptations are related to Dracula, which has a separate elaborate navbox. I don't think people come to the Stoker article or template seeking information regarding his adaptations. If the do, they are probably looking for information on Dracula. The people who would be served by this set of adaptations are people who are probably focused on Jewel of the Seven Stars content. Merging that content with a bunch of other random articles irrelevant to them is not a helpful navigation configuration.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:54, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete The Jewel of Seven Stars instead of merging. It has four links and lacks enough navigation for a navbox and all can be found through the main category and main article under the adaptations section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

  I'm okay with deleting, alternatively we could have a dedicated {{Bram Stoker adaptations}} navbox expanded to include links such as the ones I've mentioned. --woodensuperman 09:03, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

  User:WikiCleanerMan, Have rules, guidelines or policies changed. Historically, 4 subject links was the amount of links required for a navbox.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:46, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

  WP:NENAN suggests a "rule of five". --woodensuperman 06:53, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

  WikiCleanerMan, please remember that categories, lists, and navboxes compliment each other on Wikipedia and should not be an "either-or" choice. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:59, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

  Actually, it can be an either/or option. What is appropriate for one method of navigation may not be suitable for another. If something has a category or a list, it definitely doesn't mean that it should then also have a navbox. --woodensuperman 10:13, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

  Agreed. I was commenting on using the existence of a category as a reason to delete a navbox, which goes against the spirit of categories/lists/navboxes as being complimentary. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:47, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:09, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Concur with WikiCleanerMan. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 00:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose merger *and/or* deletion.

  On merger, Bram Stoker was not remotely only known for The Jewel of Seven Stars, and an inclusion of adaptations made of the book creates an imbalanced impression.

  On deletion, while NENAN does somewhat apply, a look into other templates of the "Irish novel navigational boxes" category suggests another option - the addition of inspirations and/or inclusions into the template.

  My opinion is that we could entertain the expansion into Template:Bram Stoker adaptations option, in which case right off the bat we can include The Lair of the White Worm (film), Shadow Builder, and Bram Stoker's Burial of the Rats, as well as some Dracula films. Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 09:33, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

March 5

Template:Wicklow Junior Team 2002

• Template:Wicklow Junior Team 2002 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 21:58, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:1995 Westmeath Minor Team

• Template:1995 Westmeath Minor Team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 21:56, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tyrone Under 20 Football Team 2022

• Template:Tyrone Under 20 Football Team 2022 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 21:43, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tipperary Junior Football Team 1912

• Template:Tipperary Junior Football Team 1912 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just two players known The Banner talk 21:40, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Junior Football Team 1940

• Template:Roscommon Junior Football Team 1940 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 21:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Junior Football team 2000

• Template:Roscommon Junior Football team 2000 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 21:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Minor Football Team 1939

• Template:Roscommon Minor Football Team 1939 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just one player known The Banner talk 21:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Minor Football Team 1941

• Template:Roscommon Minor Football Team 1941 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 21:36, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Minor Football Team 1951

• Template:Roscommon Minor Football Team 1951 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just one player known The Banner talk 21:36, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Football Team of the Millennium

• Template:Roscommon Football Team of the Millennium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team without article, leaving the team hanging in the air. The Banner talk 21:34, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Under 21 Football Team 1966

• Template:Roscommon Under 21 Football Team 1966 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 21:32, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Roscommon Under-21 Football Team 1978

• Template:Roscommon Under-21 Football Team 1978 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 21:32, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:SMILESCAS

• Template:SMILESCAS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template links to emolecules.com which its more of a marketplace for chemicals than a proper database. It's also entirely unused. It's twinned with {{CASREF}} which also links to the same site and which I'm also putting forward for deletion. Project Osprey (talk) 21:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, per Project Osprey. When this template was created, eMolecules was just a database of chemicals commercially available elsewhere (if I recall correctly), and only more recently added the ability to purchase directly through them. Currently, this template is really nothing more than an inappropriate external commercial link. Marbletan (talk) 13:49, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per WTCHEM. DMacks (talk) 20:15, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete. All main space uses of this template have been methodically removed or replaced by a better designed template, so it is no longer used and is unlikely to be used in the future, thus satisfying two of the four WP:TFD#REASONS. — YBG (talk) 02:12, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:CASREF

• Template:CASREF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template links to emolecules.com which its more of a marketplace for chemicals than a proper database. It's also entirely unused. It's twinned with {{SMILESCAS}} which also links to the same site and which I'm also putting forward for deletion. Project Osprey (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

@Project Osprey, I believe you meant to say entirely unused, not entirely used. YBG (talk) 02:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, sorry. Good catch Project Osprey (talk) 09:47, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete both. Full discussion at WT:WikiProject Chemistry#CASREF. Neither template is is in use or is needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:14, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, per Project Osprey. When this template was created, eMolecules was just a database of chemicals commercially available elsewhere (if I recall correctly), and only more recently added the ability to purchase directly through them. Currently, this template is really nothing more than an inappropriate external commercial link. Marbletan (talk) 13:50, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per WTCHEM. DMacks (talk) 20:15, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete. All main space uses of this template have been methodically removed or replaced by a better designed template, so it is no longer used and is unlikely to be used in the future, thus satisfying two of the four WP:TFD#REASONS. — YBG (talk) 02:20, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Meath Junior Team 2003

• Template:Meath Junior Team 2003 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 20:24, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Meath Under-21 Football Team 1993

• Template:Meath Under-21 Football Team 1993 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:44, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Meath Minor Football Team 1992

• Template:Meath Minor Football Team 1992 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:43, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Mayo Junior Team 1995

• Template:Mayo Junior Team 1995 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Mayo Minor Football Team 1978

• Template:Mayo Minor Football Team 1978 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:32, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Mayo Minor Football Team 1985

• Template:Mayo Minor Football Team 1985 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just two players known (but linked) The Banner talk 19:22, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 13:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1887

• Template:Louth Football Team 1887 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No links at all The Banner talk 19:21, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1909

• Template:Louth Football Team 1909 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:20, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1925

• Template:Louth Football Team 1925 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No links at all The Banner talk 19:20, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1932

• Template:Louth Football Team 1932 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No links at all The Banner talk 19:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1934

• Template:Louth Football Team 1934 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No links at all The Banner talk 19:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1943

• Template:Louth Football Team 1943 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1948

• Template:Louth Football Team 1948 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football team 1980

• Template:Louth Football team 1980 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a single player with an article, only the manager. The Banner talk 19:01, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1983

• Template:Louth Football Team 1983 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:00, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1988

• Template:Louth Football Team 1988 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 19:00, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1997

• Template:Louth Football Team 1997 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 18:59, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football team 2016

• Template:Louth Football team 2016 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 18:58, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football team 2021

• Template:Louth Football team 2021 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 18:58, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football team 2022

• Template:Louth Football team 2022 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 18:57, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Junior Team 2010

• Template:Louth Junior Team 2010 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 18:57, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth League Winners 1997

• Template:Louth League Winners 1997 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 18:56, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth NFL Team 1999-2000

• Template:Louth NFL Team 1999-2000 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 18:56, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1966

• Template:Louth Football Team 1966 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:46, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Louth Football Team 1961

• Template:Louth Football Team 1961 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a single player with an article. The Banner talk 16:44, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:1929 La Liga table

• Template:1929 La Liga table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1929–30 La Liga table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1930–31 La Liga table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1931–32 La Liga table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2023–24 FKF Premier League table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2023–24 National League 1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2023–24 RFU Championship Table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2023–24 Saudi First Division League table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024 Campeonato Gaúcho first stage table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024 Campeonato Gaúcho overall table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I merged these with the parent articles, so no longer any need for individual table templates here. Frietjes (talk) 16:42, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:07, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 19:08, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 04:19, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Jeff Deverett

• Template:Jeff Deverett (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only three links. WP:NENAN. One of many producers on a lot of these films, hardly the "primary creator" that WP:FILMNAV requires. --woodensuperman 16:25, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Matthew Rhodes

• Template:Matthew Rhodes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

One of many producers on a lot of these films, hardly the "primary creator" that WP:FILMNAV requires. --woodensuperman 16:24, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Longford Football Team 1966

• Template:Longford Football Team 1966 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:22, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete for now. But allow it to be created again in the event that enough links are blue. This is because:

(1) it is a champion team at senior inter-county level, the highest level of its sport.

(2) it is not a runner-up, and not a children's competition.

(3) it is part of a system of similar templates, which typically have more blue links for recent editions.

(4) the template creator has not edited for 12 years so it is impossible to ask them to improve the situation.

(5) many of the existing sources might be offline because it happened so long ago.

(6) some sources are online, for players such as Larry Gillen and Jackie Devine. That source also mentions Brendan Gilmore and Jimmy Hannify. Gillen has been named as one of sport's top full-backs over half a century.

(7) one of the players died last January and went from red to much more than a stub within hours. A similar situation cannot be ruled out for at least some of the others - particularly those who are mentioned above.

(8) one of the players died last February and went from red to much more than a stub within hours. A similar situation cannot be ruled out for at least some of the others - particularly those who are mentioned above. --Gaois (talk) 04:17, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Michael Lewis Foster

• Template:Michael Lewis Foster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Two films, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#Navigation; WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 16:16, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Caroline Amiguet

• Template:Caroline Amiguet (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

One of many producers on a lot of these films, hardly the "primary creator" that WP:FILMNAV requires. --woodensuperman 16:14, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ryan Binse

• Template:Ryan Binse (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

One of many producers on a lot of these films, hardly the "primary creator" that WP:FILMNAV requires. --woodensuperman 16:12, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Mark Atkinson

• Template:Mark Atkinson (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Three very minor films produced by someone better known as an actor, only one of which he directed does not seem like a good candidate for a navbox. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 15:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kildare minor county football team managers

• Template:Kildare minor county football team managers (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:06, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete. Per nom and WP:NENAN. Only two of the navbox entries have articles (and seemingly only those two warrant articles under WP:ANYBIO/WP:NGAELIC). We don't need a navbox to interlink two articles. Guliolopez (talk) 15:24, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kildare under-20 county football team managers

• Template:Kildare under-20 county football team managers (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 15:06, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kildare Football Team 1905

• Template:Kildare Football Team 1905 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 13:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: This is the team that won the 1905 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship title. It is also the first title won by Kildare. So is not simply a routine Kerry/Dublin victory, which might have received little or no attention then and now. Will the nominator be sending every All-Ireland Senior Football Championship template off for deletion using only a vague reference to the NENAN essay? The "non-winning" team or inaccurate reference to a "third-tier" competition doesn't even apply to this template.

I suppose, if @CorkMan:, the creator, intends to work on a few senior inter-county Gaelic footballers, this would be worth a look. A basic online search shows sources are available for a game that was nearly in the nineteenth century. Jack Connolly, for a start, scored a goal. Most sources, of course, are probably offline.

But it might be more productive and less stressful for everyone concerned if – when the problem with the template is that it is an adult inter-county competition with players who have yet to be created – the nominator instead left a note on the creator's talk page identifying the problem (too few players in blue). Then he might allow some time for the template creator to work on what is missing, as forcing that editor to hurry is likely to negatively affect the quality of the work. Several weeks – six months – perhaps one year, if there is an enormous amount of work required – this cannot be ruled out until the number of nominations are counted. Rather than surprising the creator of this template, especially, with dozens upon dozens of notifications, which, at this stage, must be very difficult to process. Just a thought. Night. --Gaois (talk) 03:25, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kildare Football Team of the Millennium

• Template:Kildare Football Team of the Millennium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No article making this team hanging in the air The Banner talk 13:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete. Seems to be another of these "poll" type teams, but I can't find an article or even a source for this one. In any case, these "fantasy" teams are not appropriate topics for navboxes. --woodensuperman 16:03, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Killers of Comedy Tour

• Template:Killers of Comedy Tour (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No article, so not a suitable topic for a navbox. At best it fails WP:PERFNAV. --woodensuperman 12:48, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Football Team 1909

• Template:Kerry Football Team 1909 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:28, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Junior Football team 1983

• Template:Kerry Junior Football team 1983 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Junior Football Team 1991

• Template:Kerry Junior Football Team 1991 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Junior Football Team 2015

• Template:Kerry Junior Football Team 2015 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 12:18, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Minor Football Team 1933

• Template:Kerry Minor Football Team 1933 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 11:08, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Kerry Football Team of the Millennium

• Template:Kerry Football Team of the Millennium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A team hanging in the air, as there is no article over this team The Banner talk 11:02, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Minor Football Team 1970

• Template:Galway Minor Football Team 1970 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 10:59, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Minor Football Team 1986

• Template:Galway Minor Football Team 1986 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 10:33, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Under 20 Football Team 2020

• Template:Galway Under 20 Football Team 2020 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 09:20, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Galway Football Team of the Millennium

• Template:Galway Football Team of the Millennium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No article about this team. The Banner talk 09:20, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Dublin Football Team 1891

• Template:Dublin Football Team 1891 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 08:40, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Dublin Junior Football Team 1948

• Template:Dublin Junior Football Team 1948 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 08:29, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Dublin Minor Football Team 1954

• Template:Dublin Minor Football Team 1954 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Just one player mentioned, not even a team. The Banner talk 08:20, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Dublin Minor Football Team 1984

• Template:Dublin Minor Football Team 1984 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 08:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Dublin Minor Football Team 2011

• Template:Dublin Minor Football Team 2011 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Runners-up, not on the highest level The Banner talk 08:18, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• delete, runners-up. Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

2024 World Rugby Pacific Nations Cup Pool tables

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:40, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• Template:2024 World Rugby Pacific Nations Cup Pool A (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024 World Rugby Pacific Nations Cup Pool B (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused after I merged these with the parent article. Frietjes (talk) 00:34, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

PLK season tables

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• Template:2020–21 PLK season table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2021–22 PLK season table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2022–23 PLK season table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2023–24 PLK season table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024–25 PLK season table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused after I merged these with the parent articles. Frietjes (talk) 00:34, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Old discussions

March 2

Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/U.S. Route 66 task force

• Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/U.S. Route 66 task force (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/U.S. Route 66 is a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads. Task forces shouldn't use a separate banner template and instead should use their parent project's banner. The banner already includes this task force parameter: {{WikiProject U.S. Roads|type=US66}}. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose—there are articles that are only pertinent to the task force that are not pertinent to the rest of the project. For example, USRD itself will not assess/track/tag the historic sites along US 66 like gas stations because they are not roads, but the US 66 TF would track them because they are related to the general history of US Route 66. It is for exactly that reason that the separate banner was created. Imzadi 1979 → 00:44, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't find that distinction compelling, given that this banner is used on less than 130 pages. Gonnym (talk) 11:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

The task force exists as a collaboration between USRD and the US History project. It needs a way to track its articles, and some of its articles are going to be outside of the scope of USRD, its nominal host project. Therefore, the banner exists. If the banner is deleted, the tracking capability of the task force will be affected when those 130 articles are removed from the task force categories. Those are simple facts. The banner has a use, and it does not violate policy. Therefore, there are no grounds to delete it. Thus, it should stay. Imzadi 1979 → 23:46, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:14, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

• comment: task forces are usually subgroups of a project, so it seems strange that there are task force articles which aren't of interest to the parent project. maybe there should be an additional parameter like |US66-non-road=y or |US66-only=y to prevent articles using |type=US66 from being categorized with the road articles? Frietjes (talk) 18:56, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts on Frietjes' suggestion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, it's lio! | talk | work 06:52, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

February 27

Template:Merged-from

• Template:Merged-from (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Copied (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Merged-from with Template:Copied.
{{copied}} has all the parameters {{Merged-from}} has (including a merge parameter for explicit language), allows multiple articles to be listed in a single banner, and includes more tracking parameters (to_diff, from_oldid, etc.). Could instead propose adopting all the features into merged-from, but seems redundant considering the good work that has gone into Module:Copied. Tule-hog (talk) 18:41, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose merge Merging and copying are distinct processes that should be kept separate. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment if this isn't merged, I suggest that from_oldid (source page from where merged material originated) and from_diff (source page before and after merge) and to_diff (target page before and after merge) be added to the merger template ; this would handle split-and-merge situations;;; The COPIED template should also accept a from_diff -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:54, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

  I don't see that COPIED needs a from _diff, as the article the material is copied from isn't altered by the act of copying. Sometimes the section copied will be cut as well, sometimes the entire "from" article will disappear, but it's not an integral part of the "COPIED" process. PamD 17:11, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

If the two templates end up merged, then from_diff would be useful for the split-and-merge process attributions. It is also useful for editors who prefer to use COPIED in all split/merge/copy actions -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 01:45, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, from_diff for split-to-newpage process -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 00:10, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

There should also be a param to specify the permanent link to the discussion, if there was one. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:12, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose merging templates. I have used both these templates in distinctly different situations. I use the Merged-from template and also Template:Afd-merged-from as well as the companion Merged-to in situations where an article has been redirected to another article, often because they have been proposed for deletion or merging. There is no need to identify which version of the article text was copied because it is generally obvious from the page history of the merging article when the redirection occurred and what the text of the original article was. Normally, when this happens the information in the original article is not copied, but rewritten to fit into the target article. In their existing format, these templates are easy to use. The Copied template is far more complex to use, and many editors do not use it properly. It only needs to be used where some text from one article is copied verbatim into another article. Wikipedia's attribution requirements then requires identifying the source and target versions in the articles concerned to be identified and these details should be added to the copied template. Technically, this also needs to be done in the edit history of the target article at the time of copying, for attribution reasons, but this is often not done well. (See WP:CWW) These talk page banners are really back-up notes to alert editors to the history of an article. So should be kept as simple as possible, or they won't be used properly, if at all. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 19:22, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support: While the usage might be slightly different, it's communicating broadly the same information regarding article merges. I don't see why with the merging of parameters that this couldn't happen and it would clean up article talks which would be a doubleplus. TarnishedPath^talk 12:14, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. Different meanings and usage. I am against this merger proposal. Cfls (talk) 17:40, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. They're separate templates because they have separate purposes with separate needed bases to cover in terms of licensing attribution. oknazevad (talk) 02:46, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose: {{copied}} and {{merged-from}} is different and per Cameron Dewe ROY is WAR Talk!
• Support refactoring. A single underlying template (preferably using a Lua module) should contain the mechanics and so provide an improved path for future maintenance. {{Copied}} and {{Merged-from}} should exist as aliases which invoke the core template appropriately.  — Hex • talk 11:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support refactoring per Hex. This is an implementation detail and implementers should be given descretion to make things under the hood efficient and easy to maintain. Tule-hog, was this your intent when you proposed this? Is there someone interested and able to make the changes? ~Kvng (talk) 15:56, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

  This was the intent. A little suprised to see all the opposes, as it seemed to me a simple case of duplicated work.

  From what I am gathering, the major opposing points:

  1. copied is more complicated to use then merged-from
  2. merging doesn't require attribution in the same way as copied
  3. separate use-case means template should be kept separate

  1 could be resolved by making the first two unnamed arguments of merged-from map to their corresponding arguments in copied. The additional arguments are optional. I am not sure I see the policy basis for the claim in 2 - besides, specific diffs are a helpful feature for tracking, especially in more complicated cases when merges don't blank the source page. 3 is already violated by copied, but perhaps it will be split as a result of this discussion. An issue could be the need to manually set |merge=yes, that might be resolved by rewriting merged-from to use Module:Copied and fix that argument. Tule-hog (talk) 16:51, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

  You might want to add to your rationale to clarify that you're proposing a rewrite under the hood to power both templates, because lots of the comments so far seem to think you're suggesting a "Template:Merged or copied".  — Hex • talk 11:38, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  This TFD is indeed basically a proposal for Template:Merged or copied, with the expectation users would simply add the flag |merge=yes when merging. Seems consensus is largely against that, so I will pursue a separate proposal once this wraps up. Note Module:Copied already includes merge logic, so the future proposal will just be for altering {{merged-from}} to use it, no need to modify the module (or {{copied}}), at least as I see it. Tule-hog (talk) 00:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose this would just make everything more confusing. This will make people use the template wrong even more than they have before. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:56, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Copying is not the same as Merging and if unified under a single template would require clarification at each use. I would not be against some of the tweaks proposed above, but the templates should remain distinct. Chrisdevelop (talk)
• Oppose. Merging involves creative reworking unlike mechanical cut'n'paste. Personally, to maintain proper attribution and tracking the "blame" of "who did what", if I intend merging, first thing I do is verbatim copying (with proper notice), and only after that I start reshuffling. So technically, I would support deprecation of "merge", but I realize other people have other working habits --Altenmann >talk 20:59, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support. {{Copied}} already has the |merge= flag and changes its formatting accordingly when the flag is used (see test case "Many" at Template:Copied/testcases). I don't think many of the oppose voters know that this flag is available and works quite well, as it should have been explained better in the nomination. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 03:49, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  'Comment: the flag is only useful "If copying was done in the process of merging two pages ... ". There is also a flag for the AfD process, yet it is not proposed to merge that template. Since the template already includes both merging circumstances where copying takes place, there should be no need to consider merging the {{Merged-from}} template as well because it does not accout for merging situations where text is not copied, but rewritten in different words. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:44, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

February 15

Template:Conservatism in China

• Template:Conservatism in China (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I believe the Conservatism in China template should be deleted because its scope is already covered by more specific templates:

Redundant with "Neoauthoritarianism in China" – This template already addresses conservative ideologies in the PRC, which makes a separate Conservatism in China template unnecessary.

Hong Kong and Taiwan Have Their Own Templates – Since conservatism in Hong Kong and Taiwan has distinct characteristics, separate templates already exist for them. This ensures better clarity and avoids unnecessary overlap.

By keeping more specific templates, we maintain a clearer and more organized structure without duplicating content. Guotaian (talk) 09:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose / Keep. This template covers various Chinese conservatives, including mainland ROC conservatism before 1949 and Falun Gong. The reason for the existence of Template:Modern liberalism US is not the reason why Template:Liberalism US should be deleted. ProKMT (talk) 10:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

The difference between Conservatism in China template and Neoauthoritarianism in China template is not the same as the distinction between Modern liberalism in the United States and Liberalism in the United States.

In the case of China, Conservatism in China template covers the entire Greater China region, including the PRC, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, while Neoauthoritarianism in China is specific to the PRC. Conservatism in China includes different political movements within greater china. In Hong Kong, conservatism is closely tied to the pro-Beijing camp, while in Taiwan, it has historically been associated with the Kuomintang (KMT) and its opposition to rapid political and social liberalization.

In contrast, the distinction between Modern liberalism in the United States and Liberalism in the United States is based on ideological differences rather than geographical scope. Modern liberalism refers to a specific branch of liberalism that emphasizes government intervention in the economy, social justice, and progressive policies. Liberalism in the United States, however, is a broader category that also includes classical liberalism, libertarianism, and other ideological traditions. Unlike the Chinese case, where Neoauthoritarianism is a regional subset of a broader ideology, Modern liberalism and Liberalism in the U.S. are conceptually distinct, justifying the need for separate classifications. Guotaian (talk) 10:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Template:Neoauthoritarianism in China and Template:Conservatism in Taiwan do not include the pre-1949 mainland Chinese conservatism. For example, pro-Qing royalism, Chiangism before 1945, Dai Jitao Thought, Western Hills Group was not related to Taiwanese conservatism or Neoauthoritarianism. ProKMT (talk) 01:58, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

The template is a random smorgasbord of amalgamated links based on seemingly nothing save the opinion of it's editor. Although I asked on its page, I'll ask again: what is Dong Zhongshu doing here? Confucianism was not dominant until it was established as a state orthodoxy. So how can he be a conservative? Because Confucianism claims to regurgitate the Zhou? Is that true? I don't know. Do you know? Does this guy know?FourLights (talk) 13:00, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

what was "Legalism" Shang Yang and Han Fei conservative in relation to? Shang Yang was a radical reformer who attacked the aristocracy in favour of monarch and state. Is that conservative?FourLights (talk) 13:22, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Neoconservatism is not "conservative" in the traditional sense, but it belongs to American conservatism. Confucianism and Legalism obviously belong to Chinese conservatism. ProKMT (talk) 02:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

After third opinion was provided on the overall topic Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_China#Political_ideology_templates, this template has been changed and there is no need for deletion. However, the neoauthoritarianism template should now be considered for deletion. Guotaian (talk) 13:04, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Keep and revert back to old content

1. Conservatism in ROC, HKSAR and pre-1949 China SHOULD be on this template
2. Tonnes of new stuff is not "conservatism" but purely anti chinese stuff that for whatever reason wikipedia deems as real
3. Many other similar templates
4. Merge conservatism in HKSAR and ROC templates into one single template

Thehistorianisaac (talk) 17:48, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

• Keep this but delete the Neoauthoritarianism template

This is the more general template. I recognize it's got scope overlap with HK and Taiwan but, if we're going to keep one, it shouldn't be the one pertaining to a single ideology. Simonm223 (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

I strongly oppose the deletion of the Neoauthoritarianism template in any case. In a similar case, there is a Chinese New Left template. ProKMT (talk) 03:02, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

New left make sense as there is no other template for left-wing ideology in China (PRC) but conservatism has 2 different templates. Guotaian (talk) 11:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree Simonm223. However, we should instead rename the Neoauthoritarianism template to the conservatism in china template and remove the current conservatism in china template. Guotaian (talk) 13:02, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

That would be fine too. I just think the conservatism in PRC template should be appropriately named and not over-specific. Simonm223 (talk) 14:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Neoauthoritarianism does not represent all the conservatism in the PRC (see Cultural conservatism#China, Social conservatism#China; social/cultural conservatives are not necessarily neo-authoritarians). Also, I am strongly opposed to leaving out the entire Greater China area in the "Conservatism in China" template and only dealing with the neoauthoritarianism in the PRC. Pro-Beijing politics in Hong Kong / Macau / Taiwan (Pro-Beijing camp (Hong Kong) / Pro-Beijing camp (Macau) / Taiwan's "far-right" Chinese Unification Promotion Party, Patriot Alliance Association) and Pro-ROC politics in Hong Kong / mainland PRC should also be included in the template "Conservatism in China". ProKMT (talk) 10:13, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

• There is a lot of overlap with the neoauthoritarianism template. We should keep only one, and I prefer Conservatism ... because it is broader. Vacosea (talk) 22:39, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
• Admin note: See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conservatism in Greater China. Sandstein 12:06, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

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